tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8861605.post2691561214971106121..comments2024-03-24T11:01:27.668-04:00Comments on Resource Insights: Is the pandemic causing an exodus from big cities?Kurt Cobbhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05330759091950742285noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8861605.post-88663865463705343312020-08-23T13:03:55.829-04:002020-08-23T13:03:55.829-04:00Several personal notes. First, as a resident of we...Several personal notes. First, as a resident of western Washington State, in Bellingham on Puget Sound, I can testify that there is immense demand for housing + probably a housing bubble locally. Homes are being snapped up by competitive bids laddering up higher than the asking price. A couple renting from us have spent over a year trying to find a property for about $450,000 + have lost out with multiple offers over these months, even offering an all-cash deal + forgoing a home inspection.<br />Second, as a physician with a former academic practice in California with a large emphasis on infectious disease, I would strongly hypothesize that this particular coronavirus, a betacoronavirus called SARS-CoV-2, is highly likely to persist in a fashion similar to the influenza viruses. Time will tell if it behaves with similar seasonal fluctuations. But as with influenza, effective treatments beyond remdesivir + dexamethasone will be developed, an assortment of vaccines will arrive over the next 18 months or so, rapid antigen testing will be commercialized similar to the strep throat screen that can be performed in the office with results available within minutes. Herd immunity + vaccines together with these other measures will bring this under rational control in much of the world within 2-3 years. But it will persist indefinitely, not magically disappear.<br />However as has been recently stated, climate change will be orders of [base ten] magnitude more serious + much more prolonged as a challenge, requiring population limitation, electrification of transportation + all the other measures responsibly discussed in Resource Insights.S. W. Lawrencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01654864579983316386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8861605.post-32224177608070308962020-08-22T12:21:53.164-04:002020-08-22T12:21:53.164-04:00Not much will change. Cities are where the wage-sl...Not much will change. Cities are where the wage-slavery is, and rat people will continue to occupy them when opportunity or need arises. Indentured humans lack the intellectual and moral capacity to live differently. Lowered economic support towards rural living and the cultural rejection of the 'backwards' existence won't be overcome by a pandemic, or the next one. Rat-humans cannot adequately envision a different type of existence and will continue to place themselves into indentured servitude and self-imposed slavery.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8861605.post-88439741831808484052020-08-19T11:55:44.093-04:002020-08-19T11:55:44.093-04:00Thank you Kurt and especially Joe and North Coast ...Thank you Kurt and especially Joe and North Coast for their comments. Of course cities will continue to exist especially those contiguous to waterways and ports. It is energy to sustain them at their current scale that will seal their doom. Enormous energy flows created an urban structure dependent upon prodigious energy flows to build and to maintain it which simply wont be there in the future. The suburbs are doomed for the same reason and will be likely hit even more severely. Pandemics are just another problem for dense urban collections of people and the supply chain issues loom huge for both the suburbs and the mega cities. For people to survive and thrive they need food, water, shelter and safety. Going forward, these are not assured.sv kohohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11058401490041584973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8861605.post-73995530687512150282020-08-18T23:08:28.931-04:002020-08-18T23:08:28.931-04:00Those who believe that the emptying of our cities ...Those who believe that the emptying of our cities would be a good thing, need to compare the energy consumption of the average city dweller to that of the rural or suburban denizen at the same income level. <br /><br />There is reason people who are not engaged in farming have congregated in cities for thousands of years, and a reason why our largest and most densely populated cities are always the epicenters of trade, manufacturing, learning, and culture. It is because people who congregate closely together can more easily and economically exchange skills, knowledge, and goods. <br /><br />I have lived in one of Chicago's most densely populated lake front neighborhoods for over 30 years. My energy consumption and that of my neighbors, is much lower than it would be were we to decamp for suburbs or rural areas, because we live close to two rail lines, 6 bus lines, multiple grocery stores, drug stores, professional offices, and other retail and services. I do well without a car, and neighbors who would have to own multiple cars if they lived in a suburb or rural area, do with one car or none at all, and drive far fewer miles. Since most of us live in multi-family dwellings, or smaller houses on city-sized lots, our road and utility infrastructure is better supported, and put to better use. Were I to move to a rural area, my carbon footprint and resource consumption would increase vastly, and if all of the tens of millions of people now living in dense major urban areas were to disperse to rural areas or outer suburbs, our energy consumption per person would increase substantially. <br /><br />I will not argue that cities will have to change- extremely high buildings with their high energy use, will become unviable as resources dwindle further. But traditional city living will become more necessary, not less. We cannot afford to lose more of our best farmland to sprawl development, and we badly need to reduce our copious oil consumption, something that will not happen as long as 90% of our population lives in places where there is little or no public transportation, which needs high population density to be viable. The North Coasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14292115710427172625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8861605.post-54421155790152386152020-08-16T21:53:40.444-04:002020-08-16T21:53:40.444-04:00I think the answer to the question posed in the ti...I think the answer to the question posed in the title is "Yes, but perhaps it was overdue".<br /><br />It is an understatement that 2020 has been a sobering year. There are some critically important lessons here, and I don't know where to start,so I'll pick a place and go from there.<br /><br />I think the weakest part of this article is in taking time and space to discuss the problematic nature of how we will end the Pandemic. Perhaps this is due to my own bias, that we will come up with a reasonably effective vaccine in fairly short order. <br /><br />Even if that section of the article is stricken, the good news is that there is a stronger message here. Cities, which many feel are foundational to our civilization, are actually frail, complex, and subject to many kinds of failure. Depopulation is a symptom of one of failure. Those frailties exist on many levels, not only the stress that the virus has placed on them, but a whole spectrum of other vulnerabilities, "tipping events", any of which makes "return to normal" unfeasible, perhaps even undesirable. Smaller cities may not even be a bad thing, we might see more prosperous, but smaller urban areas. I think it's too soon to forecast the end of this story. <br /><br />It also might be cut short, by more serious problems. The Climate clock is still ticking...Robert Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17893518516529800764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8861605.post-48374702188547954492020-08-16T20:11:41.657-04:002020-08-16T20:11:41.657-04:00HOLA.
SOY DANIEL VIOTTI.
DE URUGUAY.
VEO QUE ESTA ...HOLA.<br />SOY DANIEL VIOTTI.<br />DE URUGUAY.<br />VEO QUE ESTA NUEVA REALIDAD QUE ESTA VIVIENDO LA HUMANIDAD NOS VA HA HACER MADURAR COMO ESPECIE HUMANA QUE SOMOS.<br />PRECISAMOS NUEVOS LIDERES.<br />DONDE.<br />LA COMPACION.<br />LA SENCILLES.<br />LA PACIENCIA.<br />SEA SU META.<br />PIENSO QUE DENTRO DE ESTE DESORDEN SURGE OTRA HUMANIDAD.<br />O SINO ESTAMOS CONDENADOS A PRECER COMO CULTURA EN ESTE PLANETA TIERRA.<br />GRACIAS.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8861605.post-36046049606632709222020-08-16T17:16:21.317-04:002020-08-16T17:16:21.317-04:00Interesting that I just twenty minutes ago read al...Interesting that I just twenty minutes ago read aloud this: https://jamesaltucher.com/blog/nyc-is-dead-forever-heres-why/<br />and was (surprisingly!) moved at the end. I guess the fact that my parents grew up in NYC and that I met by wife, Connie, there might have something to do with it. But I think it's more symbolic than that. Even those of us tracking overshoot and collapse for years have been amazed to see it unfold in real time. Thanks for this, Kurt!Michael Dowdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16915893031346978453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8861605.post-52058788066898411422020-08-16T14:31:54.790-04:002020-08-16T14:31:54.790-04:00If the pandemic prompts people to leave cities it ...If the pandemic prompts people to leave cities it is doing at least a little good. Cites need to be emptied out as rapidly as possible without creating too much hardship. <br /><br />Cities are sustained only by a gigantic energy flux, which will not be sustained for much longer. As energy supplies decline, so will all urban areas. It's better that it happens now than during a catastrophic collapse. Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01251330546889158364noreply@blogger.com